Keeping Cantonese cooking alive.....Pearl River Delta/Deli and Needle

So next Wednesday, Chef Ryan says it’s likely it’ll be available around then. He’s still tinkering with the instructions. So you guys might be wondering why I go so hard putting on for Needle; I think @JeetKuneBao kind of gets it — I’m definitely concerned for the future of Canto food in America (especially as it comes to Hong Kong), and Chef Ryan is the person I see as most eligible to carry this extremely technical and valuable cuisine into the future.

As you guys might also know, I’ve been on a pretty strict nutrition regimen and I’ve been watching my calories. My appreciation of Needle is to the extent that I am willing to forego/cheat for the sake of bringing more exposure to Cantonese cuisine, especially as it comes to what’s being made at Needle. The food is so carefully prepared and so much thought goes into each of these dishes. It would be a huge shame to me if Chef Ryan’s restaurant were not able to survive the pandemic when his food is not only an example of Cantonese food prepared with technical excellence, but also of significant political implications. Is it weird that the location is in Silverlake? Sure, I definitely get that. However, it is one of the few restaurants on Sunset with a parking lot, and honestly I think food this well-prepared is worth traveling for. Especially if you’re serious about keeping this type of cooking alive, Ryan is a master technician whose thoughtfulness deserves some travel (I drive up from Orange County myself).

So without further ado, let’s keep it going:

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Chasiu Egg Rice
This is a recommended preparation but I’m not sure it will be available on the menu. Notice the high-heat applied to the egg preparation, it’s more akin to a Thai-style fried egg due to the crisp/browned edges. It’s traditional but not, in the sense that different techniques are applied to give diners a new way of looking at the dish, which I find it to be a stylistic metaphor for the restaurant as a whole.

The chasiu is fantastic, great char and I think he might be preparing the chasiu and vacuum sealing it for take-home so that diners can finish it at home. This application of belly is probably best suited to being served over rice (the small batch rice at Needle is exceptionally well-suited for these purposes). Notice the structural integrity of the grains, and the way that fat can neatly drape uniformly around each of the individual grains. There’s more fat that renders from belly for this purpose, so it’s an ideal cut in that regard.

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Duckburger v2
The new version of the duckburger uses a basting method to apply a bit more fatty/rich flavor to the duck patty. This dish is really starting to come along and the addition of the cabbage slaw is actually quite welcome to help balance out the heft. There’s a great soft bun - to toast - to pickle/shrimp chip - to cabbage crunch contrast here that really plays up the duck. My only gripe (which I noted to him) was that the pickles are pretty acidic and so it might be a better idea to eat the burger upside down to let the acid come in in the finish as opposed to letting the duck take center stage at the end, since the acid might overwhelm.


Lettuce Wraps
This is just fun to eat, but a nicely woked “succotash” of sorts of corn, chickpea, carrots, shiitake, green onions that’s totally vegan but still very savory and filling. The hoisin really brings out the character of the constituent vegetables. Few dishes are thought of as “crowd pleasers” but this is one that you can order and everyone can be happy! I would say the gently fried rice noodles did get a little bit messy and in the way, but I don’t think anyone’s going to complain about having fried rice noodles.

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Thank you for the insightful post!

Say no more. Hit me up and I’ll happily sacrifice my body to consume all those devilish calories!

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Thank you for your thoughts Euno.

I agree don’t let the location fool you. Ryan is a SGV son with parents from HK. He is cooking from his heart because this cuisine is what he loves the most. This ain’t no goofy ass fusion restaurant either and the price point is very fair for the level of skill, quality, and taste. This is truly a mom-n-pop Canto restaurant. But beyond all of this political, social, cultural reasons on HK food/culture…it’s just damn good food!

I am really excited to see what Needle will be doing in the future. I hope to see things like steamed fish, sweet and sour pork, homestyle grandma inspired dishes, HK cafe classics, etc.

On a side note, there is some immigration to Taiwan from HK’ers. I am curious how this will play out as far as food. So there is some hope. Taiwan is interesting because the food culture has influences from a variety of regions in China post civil war. But HK food has never really been big in Taiwan as far wider influence (think Taiwanese breakfast via Shanghai, beef noodles via Sichuan, etc) People from HK like to travel to TW and vice versa and someone always has some relative/friend who lives in HK or TW. I wonder if in the future if these HK immigrants will impact TW food. Any thoughts on this @beefnoguy?

Guys get that Needle Char Siu!!!

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Chef Ryan and his wife is aware of this thread and Chowseeker btw and he is blowned away that we are discussing his food

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Hi @JeetKuneBao,

Great thoughts. :slight_smile: Although isn’t that post above from @moonboy403 from Chef Meilin (Nightshade)? Does that mean it’s Nightshade’s charsiu collab’ing at Needle?

Alt text: Mei Lin, char siu, Needle, next week.

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She’s probably only repping for Needle.

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haha let me know when you go i’ll order one for you on me :wink:

This chasiu is entirely Ryan’s! No collab. Confirmed with Chef Mei, she’s just putting on for it. I’m guessing she got to try some lol

Also if you’ve never had the chasiu at Nightshade – absolutely fantastic. Very different from what Ryan’s doing but I’m just a chasiu fiend as some of the folks already know :wink:

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I don’t have latest data on Cantonese in Taiwan (let alone Taipei) but whatever is popular is mostly what Taiwanese people like when they visit Hong Kong. Pretty sure Hong Kong cafe’s are still popular, and ditto for roasties, dim sum which you can casually find in any form and in varying quality. How good they are compared to HK, is unknown, with even the best representations possibly falling short to some degree.

Guess the pride and glory award highest honor tip of the hat to Cantonese in Taipei, goes to Le Palais (3 Mich stars), Sergio meistro Ken Chan is originally from Hong Kong.

Somehow I don’t get the feel that those leaving HK for Taiwan are making a big enough dent in the Cantonese food movement there (or those who left HK and settled in say, Tokyo). Adjustments always have to be made to cater to the local base to an extent. While HK cafes are not the best representation, from the little I’ve seen of HK cafes in Tokyo from internet pictures, they didn’t look compelling enough for me to want to drop in even for a sample (or restaurants labeled as Hong Kong style cuisine).

Yeah it’s pretty much up to the next generation of Asian American chefs on picking up the torch. The key is to find older school Canto Sergio types still around and badgering them with questions on techniques, being able to learn how to speak/read/write Chinese (especially from a culinary standpoint) and dive into Chinese/Cantonese resources (cookbooks, youtube). Or find that granny and just capture everything home cooking to start.

With the way things are going, it’s easier to just focus on (and for the next generation of chefs) good ol’ Cantonese classic comfort food. But it has to go beyond roasties, dim sum/dumplings, egg tarts, HK cafe, and congee (those are relatively easy crowd pleasers). The blue collar classics are the true soul food. Wok stir fry for example, is crucial, and classic soups (particularly individual sized double boiled ones).

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From all the photos I thought it was hers. Looks fantastic.

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Placed my order! I do wanna say that my expectation is sky high given that pricing is now approaching top tier char siu in Hong Kong and Mott 32 Las Vegas’ Spanish Iberico char siu!

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I don’t have as much experience as many on the board with char sui but I have to say that Mott 32 is the best I’ve ever had. Very expensive but fantastic in every way.

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Mott32’s is excellent stateside indeed.

Video tutorial
@NYCtoLA, @attran99, @Hungrydrunk, @TheCookie, @JeetKuneBao
https://www.instagram.com/p/CC8yyczjzzV/

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iberico char siu at palette tea house

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Haven’t had a chance to try that but looks good!

Great song for that IG video tutorial, but the lyrics need some tweaking…

When bad char siu bites hard
And ambitions are low
And resentment rides high
But emotions won’t grow
And we’re changing our ways
Taking different roads

Needle Char Siu will tear us apart again
Needle Char Siu will tear us apart again

Why is the vaccum pack so cold?
Turned away on its side
Is my sous vide timing that flawed?
Our respect run so high?
Yet there’s still this appeal
That we’ve kept through our lives

But Needle Fatty Char Siu will tear us apart again
Char F**king Siu will tear us apart again

Do you cry out in your sleep?
All my cravings exposed
Gets a taste in my mouth
As desperation takes hold
And it’s something so good
Just can’t function no more?

Char Siu Love will tear us apart again
Dem Burnt Ends will tear us apart again
Sexy Pork Shoulders will tear us apart again
Oh Effin Yeah will tear up apart again

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La Morra / Needle pickup bang^2

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Joy Division! :hearts:

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