What makes Japanese food in LA special?

I’ve never been to Japan but will still share my thoughts.

First part of OP’s question: What does the food media get wrong? As others have pointed out, it’s ignoring or downplaying neighborhoods that aren’t close to the “relevant” parts of LA, as a friend of mine half-jokingly refers to Santa Monica, Westside, Silverlake, DTLA, etc . To be fair this problem is not exclusive to coverage of Japanese food, but the food/restaurant scene in general. Some publications are a lot worse than others (like Eater), but food coverage seems to focus on restaurants with PR teams that open in the “cool” parts of town and have a “name” behind them. (I don’t practice journalism but I’m sure it’s easier to write articles about places that send you talking points from a PR team instead of doing your own research and exploring random places before you find a gem worth telling others about.) When you see these lists of “best of” this or that, it’s like the SFV or South Bay barely exist, which is ridiculous because there are incredible places in these huge swaths of Southern California. Furthermore, the more affordable hole-in-the-wall, mom and pop operations that, in my opinion, make LA such an exciting place to eat have a harder time existing in the cool neighborhoods because of the much higher rent. Maybe I’m a little bit of a conspiracy theorist, but I think that the reason Korean food and Thai food get pretty decent coverage is because Koreatown and Thai Town are a lot closer to the cool hipster neighborhoods than Torrance is. Some friends of mine in Silverlake often eat in Koreatown or Thai Town, but when I try to get them to come to the South Bay (where I live) or explore the SFV or Little Saigon, they blankly stare at me like I asked them to fly to Mars to grab a donut. I don’t think these friends of mine are unusual among our Millennial peers who also gobble up “food media”, and maybe I’m being an reverse-elitist for questioning why someone isn’t willing to drive 45 minutes to eat okinomiyaki at Doya Doya, but it kind of irks me when self-proclaimed foodies are not as curious or as adventurous when it comes to exploring random neighborhoods. I could go on and on but I think some people don’t choose where to eat but are rather are told where to eat, and are thus careened towards the places where the PR-influenced food media tells them to go to.

As far as what Japanese places I think are really special (even though I’ve never been to Japan), it’s places like Sakae Sushi in Gardena (which Eater did profile!), Koshiji in Torrance for yakitori, Monjiro Monzo for tempura and udon, Doya Doya for okinomiyaki, Inaba for soba, etc. I really love Azuma Izakaya in Gardena. It’s a jack of all trades but admittedly a master of none, and I wouldn’t drive an hour to eat there, but the combination of comforting food, fair prices, relaxed atmosphere, spirit, and scrappiness make it one of my favorite restaurants. Chowseeker1999 has done incredible write ups on places in the South Bay I really need to try, like Shoya in Lomita, Fukuno for sushi in Gardena, or Wadatsumi in Torrance. There have been other interesting write ups about sushi in the South Bay that I want to try, like Kurisaki in Redondo Beach, Nozomi in Torrance or Sushi Chintose in Redondo. And my beloved Kansha Creamery in Gardena regularly has matcha ice cream, but also on occasion black sesame ice cream, strawberry miso ice cream, and other flavors. I live in the South Bay and am a South Bay native, so I have a bias, but I think the dynamics of the area (large Japanese and Japanese-American populations, more affordable rents, etc) have come together over several decades to create an environment where hole-in-the-wall, mom-and-pop places have an opportunity to turn out an incredible variety of compelling Japanese food that can’t really be matched when compared as a whole to other parts of LA.

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I’ve never been to Japan, but I do like Japanese food.

Samurai sandwiches

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Closed last month. I’d go to Oumi Sasaya for Udon.

I’ve eaten there three times and was served some of the most consistenly poorly made Japanese food I’ve had in Gardena so YMMV. (I live in Gardena.)

As I freely admitted Azuma is a jack of all trades but a master of none. Doya Doya has better okonimyaki , Toreihei or Koshiji have far superior yakitori, Inaba or Otafuku or Monjiro Monzo (RIP) have tempura that shits on Azuma’s, hell even the yellowtail collar is better at a place like Kanpai than at Azuma. Azuma does have better katsu that most places I’ve been to. I guess I just love the mix of hardy items (teriyaki steak, katsu, braised pork belly, croquettes, some other random dishes) and atmosphere that make it special for me.

please read what i wrote again. your question makes no sense.

I quoted what you wrote. So, how can my question make no sense unless your statement makes no sense?

And, yes, there are US chefs and restaurant companies in Japan, e.g., Wolfgang Puck, almost every fast food chain, Starbucks, etc. I’ve never heard a single complaint of “ugly Americans” food or service there.

The Katsu at Azuma is lousy. I’ve had it twice. It was dry both times, the second time worse than the first. It would be barely acceptable in Japan, and it’s not even close to the quality of what Tonkatsu specialists serve in Japan. I would say it’s “authentic” only in style, and definitely not in execution.

The only redeeming qualities of Azuma, IMHO, is that it’s not expensive, you get a lot of mediocre food, and they have/had cheap late night beer.

well, rabbi, because whether or not ive been to japan specifically is irrelevant. you were talking about behaviour in restaurants located IN the u.s.
i postulated something about behaviour in restaurants NOT in the u.s. in general.
no, i dont have any data for you.

I understood that and that’s why I asked if you’ve ever been to Japan and been to foreign owned, run or operated restaurant because this is (1) a thread about Japanese food and Japan, and (2) if you’ve ever seen or experienced that behavior in Japan based on what you “postulated” since you were quick to try to blame other countries for behavior that some of us have seen here. But, #nofacts, #nodata.

P.S. - I’m not Jewish. Are you also postulating something about Jewish people with your “rabbi” comment?

it’s a term of respect. you’re right, i was incorrect in using it.

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g_sny, sorry you asked yet? :grinning:

Though there have been some good points brought up, and I was especially pleased to see Fukugawa mentioned for breakfasts :+1:

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Umm, I’m guessing this won’t be for the Weekly :wink:

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I think what makes Japanese food special here, as some have mentioned, is its accessibility, scope, and depth (at a wide range of price points). Plus I love the numerous Japanese grocery and home goods stores. I can grab a quick lunch at Mitsuwa, celebrate a special occasion over yakitori and small plates at Torihei in Torrance, or stop for a late-night dinner with local and visiting friends from Japan at Kouraku in Little Tokyo. I can grab freshly made mochi or imagawayaki, decide between numerous brands of genmaicha, or refresh my frequently depleted stock of yuzu kosho. Special is subjective, and these are some of the things that, to me, are special. For those needing credentials, :joy_cat: I’m no “expert,” but I’ve been happily eating Japanese food in L.A. since my youth, and I’ve been to multiple regions of Japan over the last 15 years and 20 or so trips.

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Are you Jewish? Because if that’s all you can say to defend what you wrote, you’re also a bigot, because your context wasn’t one of respect; it was sarcasm.

So, please explain to Jewish people how referring to someone as a “rabbi” in the context of sarcasm is appropriate.

i would, but i don’t want you to take time out from asking people if they’ve been to japan.

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What about the differences between hot pot and shabu shabu? i would like to see an article on that.

Can someone give summation of dis tread. it’s very longs. :slight_smile:

do you mean nabe vs shabu shabu? Shabu shabu is a type of nabe, but not all nabe are shabu shabu. Shabu shabu involves thinly sliced raw meat, which is cooked by swishing it through the hot broth. Shabu shabu is the onomatopoeia for that swishing sound. Nabe is a more vague term and can include various things like sukiyaki, shabu shabu, tara nabe, motsunabe, etc. It just refers to foods cooked in a nabe of some sort.

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Hot pot (e.g. SGV-kind on every block) is roughly the Chinese Asian equivalent of shabu shabu.

Usually when we eat shabu shabu, the broth is only water and kombu. I’ve noticed lately that some shabu shabu places are now offering with different types of broth. Is this a recent thing in order to compete with Chinese hot pot or to get more Chinese customers? That what my question basically boils down to.

And I’ve been to Japan but didn’t eat shabu shabu and I’ve only eaten hot pot once and it was a long time ago. I’ve also never been to China. :wink: