Can restaurants be made safe during the pandemic?

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I also would like to know if he was wearing the mask the whole time taking it off between the bites as he strongly recommended we do.

I’m pretty sure that was a mistake by some nitwit who handles the Twitter account. The same tweet also said to minimize the number of times you take your mask off.

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y’all got a few more days to enjoy that outdoor dining cuz things aren’t looking good

Newsom’s announcement comes just minutes after Los Angeles County’s health officer, Dr. Muntu Davis, announced the county saw an all-time high in daily cases on Thursday, at just over 5,000. That puts the two-day average of new cases at 4,500, a number which, if it continues for 5 days, will result in local lockdown measures in L.A.

Josh, a bartender at a restaurant in Santa Cruz who also requested anonymity due to fear of retaliation from his employer, quit his job in early October due to concerns over indoor dining … some customers became so enraged about being asked to wear masks indoors that they flipped a table, he said. “The same people who are going to be coming to dine in during a time of COVID don’t have that same concern or precaution typically that other people do,” says Josh. “… We had some customers who were really good about masking up and bussing their own tables, but for every one of those you get two people who don’t want to wear their mask and want to have a fight about it.”

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Indoor-dining-is-closed-restaurant-workers-quit-15731972.php

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Our own California governor, Gavin Newsom, is guilty of dining at the French Laundry in a closed space (only one open wall) with people (including lobbyists) outside his household.

How does Newsom expect Californians to follow his strict rules when people like him and the Kardashians (eye roll) are partying maskless during Covid and posting it on IG.

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It’s absolutely unthinkable that the governor would attend a gathering at an establishment that peaked 15 years ago when he and top lobbyists could have dined at Chef Dominique Crenn’s strikingly inventive restaurant instead …

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Newsom-s-French-Laundry-dinner-shows-how-15748441.php

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LOL. Love it. (Especially the Onion “article”.)

I googled how to become a lobbyist. Lol.

Did you find anything? Because I couldn’t – try as I may…

You need no qualifications. It read . You need to be good on your knees .

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LOL I’m glad there’s still some room for levity here.

It’s clear that many of the hastily assembled dining structures in place right now, especially the ones that are essentially outbuildings, aren’t actually a COVID-safe dining alternative—they’re an unintentionally deceptive option that sometimes fits legal definitions that are themselves removed from reality.

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Yes, true. This type of an essentially fully enclosed “outdoor” area is a stretch of the intent and meaning of “outdoor”, any time of the year.

… one person (Case B) infected two other people (case A and C) from a distance away of 6.5 meters (~21 feet) and 4.8m (~15 feet). Case B and case A overlapped for just five minutes …

A very interesting article. Here’s part of it, for those who don’t want to read the whole thing:

“What can we conclude from all this? I think there are three broad lessons here. One, small data can be extremely illuminating. Two, air flow and talking seem to matter a great deal. Three, sadly, indoor dining and any activity where people are either singing or huffing and puffing (like a gym) indoors, especially with poor ventilation, clearly remains high risk. However, given these pieces of information, it also seems that both masks (which dampen the emission of droplets/aerosols from the infected person and which can also lessen the amount one breathes in) and ventilation remain crucial tools.,We should follow Japan’s lead and discourage talking, especially loud talking indoors or on public transportation.”

Memo to restaurants when restrictions relax: Turn down the music.

So, the only thing that the CA government has done is to shut down restaurants, along with other “non-essential” businesses. No steps have been taken and no money spent to help restaurants and other businesses have “safe air”.

Meanwhile, billions in tax revenue are being lost. Those billions, managed differently than brute force sledgehammer closures, might have been spent on helping restaurants to be made safe during the pandemic.

One of the justifications that I read in a local news article for closing restaurants is that they’re gathering places.

I think that properly-placed portable HEPA filters, while not the whole answer, could help greatly in restaurants. I also think that the government should subsidize them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/10/carbon-dioxide-device-coronavirus/

[Washington state] egulators introduced a new policy, which appears to be one of the first of its kind, allowing certain restaurants to count as “open air” dining even if they have four walls. In a new pandemic trend, these establishments can open up large windows or doors and actively measure levels of carbon dioxide, the gas we all exhale when breathing, as a key indicator of how much fresh air is circulating.

Excellent concept, although the C02 concentration levels would need to be measured at each table location. An average or, worse yet, a single measurement in the dining space would be pretty meaningless.