Sourdough Chronicles

The author of that article is actually an engineer-turned-baker. I wandered upon his blog several yrs ago (presumably b/f he went pro). He was SO obsessive about the baking process that I am not at all surprised that he has become a professional. And his photography, even several yrs ago, was amazing.

I bring up his background b/c he presumably doesn’t have a test kitchen in the way that Cook’s Illustrated (or the King Arthur) people do, where they try to take into account variability in people’s equipment, ability to source, etc.

I actually might’ve read the article b/f, but it never hurts to read it again. :slight_smile:

Btw they have bannetons at Surfas unlined them sell cloth liners that fit with elastic separate for not to much.

They also have the Matfer baguette forms which are pretty nice.

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Yesterday’s adventure would please my pretend indian grandma.

I went with about 100g sour starter. 250 gram water. 300 gram whole/bread flour blend.

mix, knead, rest
ball, roll, laminate (ghee), spiral, rest
roll, fry (ghee+veg oil)
hand crush
collect wife points.

i think they’re lachha parathas

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Batard is definitely what i want to be making over boule. much smarter shape for slicing… my next dutchy purchase has to be an oblong one but i’m struggling to find a plain black cast iron

foodgeek is the truth. any home baker friends i have landed on him as the final sensei

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I’ve had very good results with the Lodge Combo Cooker. It allows you do use it ‘upside down’, so it becomes VERY easy to slide the scored loaf onto the ‘floor’ of the CC (the skillet portion) and then place the DO over it. I can fit a single batard into it w/o issue.

One COULD get
one of those fancy bread pans, like this:

or this:

But those are both $$$. I have the CC, it works fine as a DO for bread, a DO for stews, and the skillet works great for steaks/searing/etc.

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thanks. yea i’m not going to pay that…(i seem to only splurge on wine and travel) i’ll just wait until lodge puts out a batard combo.

This is what to use as poor man’s challenger.

I can fit two in my oven and bake 2 at a time. If I’m really adventurous I do back to back and do 4 and 2 boules which are not my favorites. Roughly 1 kg batards. It can make bigger esp if you shape longer.
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For any who might be interested, Tom Cucuzza has some very detailed and helpful videos he’s done on his channel.

https://thesourdoughjourney.com/

OH!! It The Perfect Loaf guy. Yeah. He is possessor of the deep knowledge. I use a variation of his master recipe for my batards. (But I still use Foodgeek’s final shaping technique).

Looks amazing. That unit keeps popping up in my suggestion.

I only wanted to change one variable, but it turns out I forgot to consider temp (maybe).

My starter has been very active this wk (I keep it in the fridge btw sessions and pull it out and feed it a few days b/f I anticipate baking). Like, BIZARRELY active. I only bake a few times a year, and usually only during the holiday session. Although I’m pretty sure I must’ve baked at least 1-2x during the summer over the last few yrs, right?

Does starter get more active as it ages?

At any rate, I combined 2 recipes a few wks ago w/ good results (the ingredients from the Forkish overnight + fermentation schedule from some random person’s website [altough she does have some professional training]). I think I did an 18-hr proof the first time (wanted to bring the bread to a party and didn’t have time to do 24 hr cold proof).

This time, I decided to reduce hydration to 74% (down from 77%) and leave all the other variables the same.

As I dumped my levain in the dough, I was like, “I wonder if I should’ve used less b/c it’s quite warm…”

Well, the first prob is that my dough rose SO QUICKLY. In about 8 hours, it more than doubled. I don’t recall is rising that quickly last time.


Since I already messed up a 2nd variable, I guess I was feeling experimental. I tried a smaller proofing container and through it in the fridge. Normally, my dough doesn’t rise much in the fridge. This time, it continued to rise… like, a lot. So much so that it was basically hitting the towel above.

At 14 hrs, I wasn’t sure if it would continue to grow overnight and/or, if it was more active, to be an overproofed mess the next day. So I baked it late last night. As I was feeling the dough b/f taking it out of the proofing container, it still felt pretty tense in certain places. Uh, oh. Does the poke test apply when a dough is very cold? And if my loaves tend to be overproofed, maybe this is the way it’s supposed to feel???

The finished loaf looked pretty good (by my standards). The scoring did open up (which usually doesn’t happen for me), although not that loaves everyone else here does. Waited until the next morning to cut into it (there’s my test slice missing in the photos… :wink: ).

Not great. A more dense crumb and still pretty wet. Wondering what would’ve happened had I waited the full 24+ hrs. You can also see in the cross section where the crumb looks as if the dough is looking to escape up the top. Def underproofed, I think.

Despite all the yeast activity, not much of a sour flavor. Crumb is a bit more dense and chewy than I prefer. Still “fine” and more than edible, but not craveable. Think I will make croutons from this.

Oven spring not improved.

This lower hydration dough was a bit easier to work w/ and shape. I might give it one more try w/ the longer cold proof and using my usual proofing container.



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FWIW, I’d needed to build a new starter and began 50g King Arthur Organic bread flour and 50g of spring water. Repeated per King Arthur site instructions. No activity after 10 days. Tried it again with 25g KA and 25g Bob’s Red Mill whole wheat. Still nothing after another 10 days of feeding, etc… I’d bought the KA flour at a Grocery Outlet at a great price but checked the Best By date and it was 6/2022. Hmmmmm.

Bought a new bag, this time Bob’s Red Mill bread flour (best by 6/2024)…WOW!! The new starter doubled in size overnight in day 2! Continuing to discard and feed.

I can’t be positive the difference was the KA flour as I’ve always read that Best By dates aren’t in stone, but that’s the only difference other than a maybe 5°F difference in kitchen temp between the last two tries. Any flour experts have an opinion?

I have the Forneau. I love it!

Addendum. On day 6 the starter showed significant hooch so I fed it again. Same thing the next morning. It had almost liquified. Discarded all but 50g and added 100 spring water 50g bread flour 50g whole wheat. 1:2:2 feeding to see if it will firm up and not develop hooch tonight. We’ll see tonight or in the morning.

doing 50/100/100 is same as doing 20/40/40 no need to make discard… those yeasties are tiny

Visually it looked like very little at 50 after discarding a lot. Most methods I’ve seen use 30-50g as the starter portion.

So even after the 1:2:2 feeding there is a layer of hooch this morning. Added a little more flour and will do a discard & feed in a while.

interesting! are you dumping the liquid out? maybe best

Tested my regular dutch oven against pizza stone with DO dome over the top… as expected 1 spread a bit more but pleased with it

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